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Split proposed

The history section of this article is long enough to merit its own article. See also Ukrainian-language article: History of Mariupol. Thoughts? -- M2545 (talk) 10:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it fits fine in this article. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:38, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No longer relevent. The city has been destroyed and the entire article needs to be renamed "The History of Mariupol". Chesapeake77 (talk) 07:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems eminently helpful--the city has an especially unique history that reaches with relevance to today. Tachypaidia (talk) 17:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

agreed Cononsense (talk) 15:03, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mariupol still exists, but anyway none of the subjects in Category:Destroyed cities are titled “history of.” —Michael Z. 16:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As stated in the article, the Siege of Mariupol has been compared to the devastating Siege of Leningrad during World War II. Since then, the city has recovered completely and regained its former glory. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 01:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No detailed mention of Soviet Era history, could benefit from its own article due to the depth of the history. (9-30-22)

I agree with you. --Synotia (talk) 15:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, but it needs significant trimming at the very least, half of it is Russo-Ukrainian War and so a lot of it needs to be removed or moved to a history article. Mellk (talk) 15:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've trimmed the section on the siege itself as much as I could, this might help. HappyWith (talk) 21:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, after the trimming it cleanly fits into this article. HappyWith (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article prosesize is at a healthy 6037 words so there's no basis for the nom anymore. Would recommend this discussion is WP:SPEEDYCLOSE. Cheers, Dan the Animator 05:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I request in the country section that Russia be added as (De facto) while Ukraine be considered (De Jure). LegendaryChristopher (talk) 00:53, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 19:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add verb 'ended' or 'stopped' or an appropriate verb after 'When the fighting' and before the comma, at the beginning of the 3rd paragraph in the section 2022 Russian invasion. There is a verb missing. Veridica Small (talk) 18:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jamedeus (talk) 00:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shouldn't we change the flag to Russia after the capture and reconstruction? BarakHussan (talk) 13:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. We follow RS. Rsk6400 (talk) 16:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History - Russo-Ukrainian war, 2022 siege no citations at all, bad wording

"Since the invasion is estimated to have damaged over 90% of housing in the city centre, the Russian government has invested significant amounts towards building new buildings. This process has included demolishing many damaged buildings, whose remaining residents are sometimes not allowed into the rebuilt buildings, and are offered new property further from the city centre with little compensation. Property prices are similar to before the war, with the Russian government maintaining mortgages at 2% to draw in Russian buyers. According to a Ukrainian official, they number around 80,000 as of mid-2024. In early 2024 the Russian government began a process to seize properties from those who had fled, requiring owners to obtain Russian citizenship and re-register properties with Russian authorities in person in order to keep them."

That paragraph doesn't have a single source, stating contradictory statements and sometimes involving even russian propaganda. Also, the wording is sometimes weird and incorrect: - "Since the invasion is estimated to have damaged" - "invested significant amounts towards building new buildings" - "This process has included demolishing many damaged buildings": The connection "this process", when "this process" is talking about building, but the sentence writes "demolishing", is just wrong.

- No citations for offered new property, nor mortgages, etc. - According to Ukrainian official data - again, no citation, which data, by whom, when.

No source about seizing properties and if it's true, it has to be stated that the seizing is illegal.

So I either recommend a deletion of that part or a serious rewriting, with sources, with good and correct wording. Pettylein (talk) 20:05, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is in fact a source — this article from The Economist — which verifies the information from the text. Any suggested changes to the text should be supported by reliable sources. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 20:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]