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Potential material for inclusion

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I'm currently diving deep into Newspapers.com to gain a clearer understanding of how Cher's public image and media perception evolved throughout different phases of her career. Along the way, I've come across some great quotes and materials that might be worth including in the article. Since it's already packed with information, I'm sharing my findings here for anyone interested in exploring whether they should be included or not. Cherfc (talk) 15:02, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Forever Fit (Cher book) — New article?"
"The First Time (Cher book)" — New article?
Life and career — 1970s
  • "In ... Las Vegas, Cher is a drawcard second only to Sinatra." [1]
  • "Cher [is] the most sought-after ticket in Las Vegas, no matter whose names are glittering from other hotel marquees." [2]
Life and career — 2000s
  • "One last tribute must be paid to the Colosseum's new goddess. Any sixtysomething who can wear flesh-colored body stockings ... is truly supernatural ... Maybe she really is immortal." [3]
Artistry
  • "'Believe' [is] perharps the greatest disco song written after the alleged death of disco[.]" [4]
  • "Underrated as a vocalist, perhaps because her dusky contralto is so different from the songbird voice most female pop stars cultivate, Cher has always diverted attention from her singing skills." [5]
  • "[Cher's] lavish concerts have become bigger than the music they're meant to promote." [6]
Legacy
  • "[Sonny & Cher] transformed ... into mainstream translators of the counterculture[.]" [7]
  • "Cher -- the cherished icon of pop reinvention, beloved by freaks and squares, gay liberationists and straight soccer moms ... [presents] performance based upon her larger-than-life story [and] mythology of self-reinvention[.]" [8]
  • "[The] queen of over-the-top pizazz bridges several eras of entertainment [and] has crossed a surprising number or musical boundaries. She found new commercial appeal in classic pop forms, such as women’s blues and burlesque, by linking them to hippie rock, pop rock and disco[.]" [9]
  • "What grounds her many incarnations is a sexy unpretentiousness that’s straight out of the Mae West handbook." [10]
  • "Across nearly half a century of hit records, acclaimed movies, gaudy concert spectacles and a magnitude of celebrity for which the word fame is pathetically insufficient, Cher has come to seem the Sherman tank of divas, sometimes under fire but seldom in retreat, grinding ever onward, armored and unstoppable." [11]

Cherfc (talk) 23:43, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback

Isn't this article getting too big already? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. That's exactly why I used the word "potential". Also, Cher is one of the most documented celebrities in history, with an exceptionally prolific career, so there's always the possibility of WP:CFORK, much like what exists for Taylor Swift's public image and cultural impact. Cherfc (talk) 15:24, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A pre-emptive CFORK might be a better potential proposal. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestion! I plan to do this at some point, but I don't have the time right now. For now, the best option I could find was to collect the new information I found in the article's talk page instead of adding it right away, just so it doesn't get lost. This way, when the time comes to create a proper content fork, all the relevant details will be readily available. Cherfc (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage dates don't add up.

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There is a marriage to Gene Simmons that is not visible, as well as the dates of marriage to others are wrong or miss matching.@ 2401:E180:8D03:1EBD:30EE:BFF:FE37:19D8 (talk) 16:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cher was never married to Gene Simmons. As for the other claims, please enlighten me on why the highly reputable sources used in this article are wrong. Cherfc (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I am not questioning the source I'm questioning the dates.
On Cher page it says 2401:E180:8832:B1C4:8C1D:96FF:FE49:46DD (talk) 14:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not questioning the sources I'm questioning the dates.
On Cher page it says
Gregg Allman (m. 1975; div. 1979)
On Gregg Allman page it says
Cher (m. 1975; div. 1978)
And there is news that they were only married 9 days but the marriage and partner status was changed on Gene Simmons page that leed to the original confusion. 2401:E180:8832:B1C4:8C1D:96FF:FE49:46DD (talk) 14:21, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Orphanage

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It was Cher's father who left her in an orphanage, her mother was only permitted by the nuns to visit once a week, and view her through a window. Source of this information is Cher's autobiography. HKScarborough (talk) 04:28, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, she said the same thing when she appeared on BBC's Desert Island Discs, on 15 December 2024, here (from 7:09) saying "... he put me in an orphanage before he left..." Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Cherfc (talk) 00:20, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for WP:CFORK

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Cherfc (talk) 01:07, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Martinevans123, Uncleangelo, Benjichilders, Harout72, FraDany, TioTayumi, Bluesatellite, and MaranoFan: You guys might want to take a look! Cheers. Cherfc (talk) 01:19, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No objections to any or all of those 7. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]